Legalitatea retinerii de 24 ore !

[johei]

M-am uitat...
ce spui tu se refera la infractiunile flagrante!!!

Titre II
Des enquêtes et des contrôles d'identité


Chapitre Ier
Des crimes et des délits flagrants (Articles 53 à 74-1)

PS Aveai dreptate... interesanta lectura, in special titlurile!

[agenda]

Joheeeeeeeeeeiiii ....este SI la flagrante...dar si la restul...am gresit cand am atasat articolele...ca titlurile le-am citit

UITE citez de unde trebuie si iti dau si titlul si capitolul citeste si plange

SO acolo poti fi retinut lejer pt zile intregi...si se aplica si prevederile citate inainte de la capitolul 1...

TITLE II
INQUIRIES AND IDENTITY CHECKS

CHAPTER II
THE PRELIMINARY POLICE INQUIRY-(prima faza a procesului francez...cercetarea )

Article 77
The judicial police officer may keep at his disposal for the requirements of the inquiry any person against whom there are one or more plausible reasons to suspect that he has committed or attempted to commit an offence. He informs the district prosecutor of this when the police custody begins. The person under police custody may not be kept more than twenty-four hours.
Before the twenty-four hours have expired the district prosecutor may extend the police custody by a further period not exceeding twenty-four hours. This extension may be granted only after a prior presentation of the person to this prosecutor. However, it may exceptionally be granted by a written and reasoned decision in the absence of a prior
presentation of the person. If the inquiry is followed in an area other than that of the seat of office of the district prosecutor dealing with the offence, the extension may be granted by the district prosecutor of the place where the measure is carried out.
On the instructions of the district prosecutor dealing with the case, at the end of the police custody persons against whom material has been collected liable to give rise to a prosecution are either set free, or referred to the prosecutor.
For the implementation of the present article, the area jurisdiction of the Paris, Nanterre, Bobigny and Créteil district courts constitute a single jurisdiction.
The provisions of articles 63-1, 63-2, 63-3, 63-4, 64 and 65 are applicable to police custody that takes place within the framework of the present Chapter."


si uite si asta


Article 78-3
If the person concerned refuses or is unable to prove his identity, he may in case of necessity be kept where he is or on the police premises where he is taken in order to have his identity checked. He is in every case immediately brought before a judicial police officer who gives him the opportunity to offer by any means available material establishing his identity, and who proceeds if necessary to do what is necessary to verify them. He is told forthwith by this officer of his right to have the district prosecutor informed of the inspection to which he is subject and to have his family or any person of his choice informed. The judicial police officer himself informs the family or person chosen if
particular circumstances call for it.
The district prosecutor must be informed as soon as the retention begin where a minor of less than 18 years of age is involved. The minor must be assisted by his legal representative except where this is impossible."

[johei]

Agendo, uita-te la art 133 si urmatoarele, acolo este prevazut mandatul de arestare...

Articolele astea nu stiu sigur insa cred ca se aplica doar in anumite proceduri speciale (flagrantul).. va trebui sa ma uit mai atent la sistemul codului...

[agenda]

pai eu de ce am citat? pt ca la ce am citat eu nu trebuie mandat...trebuie doar un politist...care il informeaza pe procuror ...si scrie el ce scrie in registrele lor ...
tu incurci cu arestul preventiv...acolo e altceva...

si de ce pisici zici iar ca se aplica flagrantului? soricelule! doar ti-am dat si titlul tocmai ca sa vezi ca NU SE REFERA LA FLAGRANT!...

so...cu franta am terminat nu e de mers ...acu sa ma uit la alt stat mentionat de tine...

[johei]

da agendo, insa este o procedura speciala care nu se aplica intotdeauna!
Distractie placuta!!!

[johei]

PS eu am avut o bursa in franta acum n ani si am invat ceva penal acolo...
Si codurile franceze le am pe hartie...
O sa vad mai departe!!!

Insa raman la parerea mea ca e vorba de o procedura speciala...
Maine am mai mult timp de citit!!!

[agenda]

nu e vorba de procedura speciala... vrei sa iti trimit tot codul in engleza?
dar. ok. citeste maine si plangi

[johei]

am si eu tot codul pe hartie... in franceza!

Si nu ai dreptate!!!

[agenda]

pai eu am demonstrat ca am. demonstreaza tu altfel.

[agenda]

uite ca in loc sa caut despre alte state am tot cautat articole si lucrari despre ce discutam noi...am gasit nenumarate...in tot ce am citit se spune acelasi lucru insa cel mai de baza e chiar codul... pe care il ai.
uite iti dau un link...se pare ca este de notorietate ca te poate retine acolo chiar si fara cine stie ce motive...

http://www.jstor.org/pss/1140657

vezi primul paragraf de sus din partea dreapta.

[johei]

Da, legislatia din 1960!!!

[agenda]

da. uite altele

- "119. In France, police may detain an individual, with cause, for up to 24 hours. A prosecutor can authorise detention for a further 24 hours. After 48 hours, judicial authorisation of further detention is required. A judge can authorise detention twice more for 24 hours at a time, up to a maximum limit on "pre-charge detention" of 96 hours. However, the document which hands the case over from the prosecutor to the juge d'instruction does not resemble a "charge" which would be recognisable as such in England and Wales. It seems more in the nature of a request to investigate a specific offence, possibly specifying the person being investigated but also possibly saying only that X committed the offence. A charge of the kind that we in England and Wales would recognise as such, identifying precisely the offence charged, the person accused and the relevant details need not be brought until considerably later than the 96 hours point."

luat de aici:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk

- si uite asta:
http://info-wars.org


- mai e asta:

"According to current French law, a child between 13 and 16 years of age can be placed in police custody for 24 hours if there is suspicion that he or she has committed an infraction."

luat de aici:

france24.com

- uite si asta:

http://www.rightofdefence.eu

- uite si asta:

"During a preliminary investigation, police and gendarmerie officers can ar-
rest a person as a suspect for 24 hours, if necessary. After arresting a suspect
the police must immediately inform the public prosecutor (article 63 C.P.P.)
in order to submit the proceeding to judiciary control. If this is not done
immediately, the proceeding is not valid.
A witness cannot be held by the police longer than necessary for taking a
statement or identifying a suspect.
At the request of the police, police custody can be extended for another 24
hours by the public prosecutor (article 77 C.P.P.). For drug and terrorist
offences police custody is possible for six days."

pag 28-29 de
aici

- si uite si ref la privare aparator

www.hrw.org


si am obosit sa dau linkuri....dar daca nu e suficient sa imi spui

si sa nu vorbim de cazuri de terorism sau droguri...

dar spune ce scrie in codul care il ai tu la capitolul 2 din titlul 2

[Baltazar]

Astia-s fraieri rau!

Unde s-a mai pomenit sa faci deosebire de tratament intre teroristi si hotii de gaini?

Parca-i vad pe Osama si Zarqawi prinsi si anchetati la Bucuresti dar pierduti in WC-ul de la Tribunal pt. ca le-au expirat ordonantele de retinere in sala

[angel]

Astia-s fraieri rau!

Unde s-a mai pomenit sa faci deosebire de tratament intre teroristi si hotii de gaini?

Parca-i vad pe Osama si Zarqawi prinsi si anchetati la Bucuresti dar pierduti in WC-ul de la Tribunal pt. ca le-au expirat ordonantele de retinere in sala

sau...caci grefierul a gresit in redactare mentinerea sau nementinerea in stare de arest preventiv ,si ...sta omu' in preventiv fara mandat ca doar deh...e greseala de grefier

[agenda]

Astia-s fraieri rau!

Unde s-a mai pomenit sa faci deosebire de tratament intre teroristi si hotii de gaini?

Parca-i vad pe Osama si Zarqawi prinsi si anchetati la Bucuresti dar pierduti in WC-ul de la Tribunal pt. ca le-au expirat ordonantele de retinere in sala

aha..romania cuibusor de nebunii...

numai ca nu e de ras